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Education pick Betsy DeVos cites grizzlies in Wyoming when asked about guns in schools

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Betsy DeVos: Guns should be allowed in schools in case of grizzly bears 00:48

WASHINGTON, D.C. -- President-elect Donald Trump’s education secretary pick Betsy DeVos’ sparked outrage among Democrats and many on social media on Tuesday when she cited the threat posed by grizzly bears in her response to a question about guns in schools during a confirmation hearing on Capitol Hill. 

Connecticut Sen. Chris Murphy, who has pushed for stricter gun regulation since Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting in his state, asked DeVos during the hearing if she supported guns in schools. 

“I think that is best left to locales and states to decide,” she said. “If the underlying question is...”

Murphy, a Democrat, interrupts by asking, “You can’t say definitively today that guns shouldn’t be in schools?”

“Well, well I would refer back to Senator Enzi and the school he was referring to in Wapiti, Wyoming, and that there is probably a gun in the school to protect from potential grizzlies,” she said. 

Murphy later tweeted that he was “shaken to the core” by her answer. 

DeVos’ failure to oppose guns in schools outright earned her censure from her interlocutors, but it was her mention of grizzlies as a justification that sparked outrage on social media. The school that was referenced earlier in the session is the tiny Wapiti Elementary School in rural Wyoming, which installed a bear fence around its playground in 2002 after a number of incidents involving bears, according to a 2005 Denver Post article

That wasn’t the only controversial topic DeVos responded to during her hearing Tuesday.  

DeVos also said Tuesday that American parents must be able to send their children to high-quality schools, including charter, magnet and religious schools, if public schools are failing. 

Responding to fierce criticism from teachers unions that the Republican donor and school choice activist is working against public education, DeVos told the Senate Health, Education, Labor and Pensions Committee that she will be “a strong advocate for great public schools.”

“But,” she added, “if a school is troubled, or unsafe, or not a good fit for a child - perhaps they have a special need that is going unmet -- we should support a parent’s right to enroll their child in a high-quality alternative.”

Committee Chairman Lamar Alexander, R-Tenn., a former education secretary, expressed confidence that DeVos is an “excellent” choice for the job. “She is on the side of our children,” he said.

But Sen. Patty Murray of Washington state, the top Democrat on the committee, said she was “extremely disappointed” that DeVos has not yet finalized her financial and ethics disclosures ahead of the hearing. 

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DeVos, 59, also said she will seek to address rising higher education costs and massive student debt, but also advance trade and vocational schools as well as community colleges because “craftsmanship is not a fallback - but a noble pursuit.”

Another priority for DeVos will be weakening “burdensome” federal regulations and giving local communities greater control over education policies.

“President-elect Trump and I know it won’t be Washington, D.C., that unlocks our nation’s potential, nor a bigger bureaucracy, tougher mandates or a federal agency,” DeVos said. “The answer is local control and listening to parents, students and teachers.”

DeVos, the wife of Dick DeVos, the heir to the Amway marketing fortune, has spent more than two decades advocating for charter schools in her home state of Michigan, as well as promoting conservative religious values.

Labor unions, Democrats and civil rights groups have opposed her appointment. She and her family have donated millions of dollars to Republican politicians and groups over the years, including campaign contributions to several committee members.

Murray, in a statement, said she wants DeVos to answer questions about her “extensive financial entanglements and potential conflicts of interest” and also to provide additional information about her finances, calling her disclosures incomplete. The senator lamented that DeVos has spent her career and wealth “fighting to privatize public education and gut investments in public schools.” 

Sen. Al Franken confronts Betsy DeVos over student debt 00:57

In a letter addressed to the committee, 38 prominent education groups and teachers’ organizations expressed concern that DeVos’ track record bodes ill for public education.

“Over the course of her career as a major campaign contributor, soft-money donor and lobbyist, DeVos has used her considerable wealth to influence legislation and the outcomes of elections to advance policies that have undermined public education and proved harmful to many of our most vulnerable students,” the letter said.

LGBT groups also have protested Trump’s choice of DeVos, saying she has funded conservative religious groups that promote what they consider to be traditional family values, including one organization that supports conversion therapy - counseling of gay, lesbian, bisexual or transgender people with the aim of changing their sexual orientation.

In an apparent response to that criticism, DeVos said in her statement, “Every child in America deserves to be in a safe environment that is free from discrimination.”

DeVos supporters, meanwhile, applauded her nomination. Eva Moskowitz, CEO of Success Academy Charter Schools, said that American public education “is in deep crisis,” with 35 countries outranking American schools in math and 20 in reading.

“I believe Betsy DeVos has the talent, commitment and leadership capacity to revitalize our public schools and deliver the promise of opportunity that excellent education provides, and I support her nomination as U.S. secretary of education,” Moskowitz said in a statement.

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